after i came back, i was told (but could not verify) that a few prominent artistes also join the program. So you are right. Likely this story will be DOA
Thank you for that. I had a former colleague who also invited my wife and me into this scheme; we visited Nanning as well. We went through almost exactly what you described. This former colleague and his wife met with us several times. My wife and I did our homework, and I think the turning point came when we watched Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street. In the documentary, I noticed that even highly intelligent and successful people were scammed, resulting in massive losses affecting the livelihoods of people up and down the social scale. In the end, we told the couple it was a Ponzi scheme and pulled out. I believe they are still in it.
Glad to know you stayed safe. What other new things did they say which my article didn’t capture? I’m curious what new things they are spinning up now.
The ones in the YouTube clips are what was happening in the Taiwanese community, who are playing the same game in Nanning. They are much more aggressive to the extend ot withholding your passports and stuff.
But it was the discovery of these youtube clips that woke me up that this is legit a scam as I was still 50/50 back then when I was there.
They have frequent classes in Singapore. The first and the last one I attended was at an industrial park where hundreds of them, newbies as well as seasoned ones, were present. It’s a kind of presentation with statistics. I met the recruiter from China as well. A supposedly successful and charming entrepreneur gave a pep talk and encouraged Q&A and really riled up the people. Direct questions were explained away rather than explained. I can’t remember the questions now but I felt good about this event. It took me quite a few weeks to think it through and exit it. The whole setup is psychologically disarming.
What people don’t understand clearly and supposing lost $50 is a scam. But people who seems to understand stock market and lost thousands and millions don’t call stock market scam.
What else did you actually lost except the time spent trying to truly get the truth of this?
A true scam hides behind a telegram, a phone call, a true face and stature
A true scam would have ripped you of safely, valuables and dignity.
You have credibile sources to introduce you to their network.
Skeptical is good to avoid pain of loss or regret.
But to collect and state evidences of your own journey which is not suffice to call it a scam is not credible.
This could be a potential work to help people out of a real life vicious crisis … so if one don’t know enough, has no rights.
Good try buddy. Please read the investigative piece by Patrick Oh on Medium and watch the YouTube video I embedded. There are tonnes more of such but you do you.
So are you saying if someone hasn't lost - quote 'thousands and millions' from a scheme, that makes it not a scam? By your definition, by the time it is a 'true scam', people would have lost their life savings possibly. I certainly hope you don't work in law enforcement, as people from the other side of the law will have a heyday!
Went there, met with the OG MP and his ex wife. It was disguised as a property/investment holiday opportunity via family friend. Had a nice holiday, Nanning is a nice place, contemplated getting an apartment there for holiday resort. Got scammed $100 to put an interest in this scam of a membership ponzi scheme. Smart fellow, you have to pay a token sum to register your interest then you transfer money while in singapore, coz if they do that in China, you get hanged or something like that. (This was conveyed by an ex China guy who got into the ponzi scheme then kena China police jailed). Anyways all this was sprung as a surprise to me during some scammy get together in this apartment. this wealth prosperity christian singaporean damn asshole despite me resisting for more than 2 hours, want to get away no choice give them $100 just to fuck off from their gathering coz he damn lan lan. Sian, my poor $100.
This is the thing that really really disguised me. At the end of the scammy get together, this wealth prosperity christian, took the whole pile of cash he collected from everyone and wave it at all of us. Proudly said he barely had to do anything and yet collected $XXX,XXX in just 1 afternoon to put in his pocket for his dinner, kept saying God is good etc etc. Very LJ. Many of sinkies put in a couple of hundreds to 'park'their position somemore. Hai.
Thanks for sharing. I have been wanting to find out more about this. Not many people talk or write about it - except members.
a mediacorp journo just reached out to me on this. apparently he has been trying to cover this for the past 2 years. get out our popcorns.
From my understanding, many of the top leaders are from that company. 😂
after i came back, i was told (but could not verify) that a few prominent artistes also join the program. So you are right. Likely this story will be DOA
Thank you for that. I had a former colleague who also invited my wife and me into this scheme; we visited Nanning as well. We went through almost exactly what you described. This former colleague and his wife met with us several times. My wife and I did our homework, and I think the turning point came when we watched Madoff: The Monster of Wall Street. In the documentary, I noticed that even highly intelligent and successful people were scammed, resulting in massive losses affecting the livelihoods of people up and down the social scale. In the end, we told the couple it was a Ponzi scheme and pulled out. I believe they are still in it.
I appreciate your article.
Glad to know you stayed safe. What other new things did they say which my article didn’t capture? I’m curious what new things they are spinning up now.
So did u go thru the ordeal that u shown in the YouTube clip?
What u wrote and the YouTube clip doesn't link to me?
The ones in the YouTube clips are what was happening in the Taiwanese community, who are playing the same game in Nanning. They are much more aggressive to the extend ot withholding your passports and stuff.
But it was the discovery of these youtube clips that woke me up that this is legit a scam as I was still 50/50 back then when I was there.
What kind of returns do they offer as a ponzi scheme? How many percent per annum?
Patrick Oh has a solid breakdown on this https://medium.com/@patrick-oh-sglion65/the-infamous-nanning-scam-163124bd6436
So u went to the Nanning Sunshine 1040 thingy ohhhhh..
They have frequent classes in Singapore. The first and the last one I attended was at an industrial park where hundreds of them, newbies as well as seasoned ones, were present. It’s a kind of presentation with statistics. I met the recruiter from China as well. A supposedly successful and charming entrepreneur gave a pep talk and encouraged Q&A and really riled up the people. Direct questions were explained away rather than explained. I can’t remember the questions now but I felt good about this event. It took me quite a few weeks to think it through and exit it. The whole setup is psychologically disarming.
you know, i used to tell myself and others i cannot be brain washed. nanning proved me wrong.
Glad for you too that you are safe from it.
For a more in depth read, check out https://medium.com/@patrick-oh-sglion65/the-infamous-nanning-scam-163124bd6436
What people don’t understand clearly and supposing lost $50 is a scam. But people who seems to understand stock market and lost thousands and millions don’t call stock market scam.
What else did you actually lost except the time spent trying to truly get the truth of this?
A true scam hides behind a telegram, a phone call, a true face and stature
A true scam would have ripped you of safely, valuables and dignity.
You have credibile sources to introduce you to their network.
Skeptical is good to avoid pain of loss or regret.
But to collect and state evidences of your own journey which is not suffice to call it a scam is not credible.
This could be a potential work to help people out of a real life vicious crisis … so if one don’t know enough, has no rights.
Just saying.
Good try buddy. Please read the investigative piece by Patrick Oh on Medium and watch the YouTube video I embedded. There are tonnes more of such but you do you.
So are you saying if someone hasn't lost - quote 'thousands and millions' from a scheme, that makes it not a scam? By your definition, by the time it is a 'true scam', people would have lost their life savings possibly. I certainly hope you don't work in law enforcement, as people from the other side of the law will have a heyday!
Did you get your logic from scammers? 😅
Plot twist: he/she is one of them
Yeah.. in his/her words: 'A true scam hides behind a telegram, a phone call, a true face (duh) and stature (uhhhh)'
I'd say too, a true dum**** would be someone who hides behind pseudo logic and calls it truth
Went there, met with the OG MP and his ex wife. It was disguised as a property/investment holiday opportunity via family friend. Had a nice holiday, Nanning is a nice place, contemplated getting an apartment there for holiday resort. Got scammed $100 to put an interest in this scam of a membership ponzi scheme. Smart fellow, you have to pay a token sum to register your interest then you transfer money while in singapore, coz if they do that in China, you get hanged or something like that. (This was conveyed by an ex China guy who got into the ponzi scheme then kena China police jailed). Anyways all this was sprung as a surprise to me during some scammy get together in this apartment. this wealth prosperity christian singaporean damn asshole despite me resisting for more than 2 hours, want to get away no choice give them $100 just to fuck off from their gathering coz he damn lan lan. Sian, my poor $100.
I also put in my commitment fee to get out of that last meeting which dragged for hours. Back then I think it amounted to SGD50.
Those Christians forgot Revelation 21:8 that warn “all liars” face judgment.
Cannot refund one ah?
This is a scam bro. You get refund if your upline no choice or big hearted as it is out of their own pocket
This is the thing that really really disguised me. At the end of the scammy get together, this wealth prosperity christian, took the whole pile of cash he collected from everyone and wave it at all of us. Proudly said he barely had to do anything and yet collected $XXX,XXX in just 1 afternoon to put in his pocket for his dinner, kept saying God is good etc etc. Very LJ. Many of sinkies put in a couple of hundreds to 'park'their position somemore. Hai.
Wow $XXX,XXX figures by collecting 50sgd?? 2000 members joined in one afternoon??? Wow.. more influential than the church man